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he didn't whack boehner or make a distinction between democrats and republicans. he sort of vaguely -- he attacked the vague congress, but at the end of the day, it's quite clear he can bring a lot more democrats to the table who are willing to compromise, maybe give on issues they don't want to give on than boehner can. so it's not even a congressional problem. it's a house republican problem. and think at some point in time the president is going to have to change his message a little bit to make that abundantly clear to those americans who are listening. >> you know, i hear your frustration and criticism with speaker boehner. a part of me feels sorry for him. >> i wish i could. >> i linger under the belief that president obama and speaker boehner in a room together could cut a deal. i think boehner can't crow his colleagues. >> well, yes rk, that's true an i've heard that sympathy for boehner and that's true, but on the other hand, leaders are able to solve problems an he hasn't been able to solve it at all. >> as a fallback plan to protect the middle class, re
he didn't whack boehner or make a distinction between democrats and republicans. he sort of vaguely -- he attacked the vague congress, but at the end of the day, it's quite clear he can bring a lot more democrats to the table who are willing to compromise, maybe give on issues they don't want to give on than boehner can. so it's not even a congressional problem. it's a house republican problem. and think at some point in time the president is going to have to change his message a little bit to...
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. >> the -- he tells woodward boehner would have had a deal the he'd had the backing of his party. he said whereon would cut a deal with me, but he can't. >> obama said if wins the election, mitch mcconnel will change from the party of no, to a party of maybe. chris: some see parallels between this year and 2004 when bush 43 was another president who excited strong opposition from the other side. there are plenty of unlikely parallels between bush's opponent john kerry and mitt romney. they love to ridicule each other. here was john kerry the other night. >> mr. romney, here's a little advice. before you debate barack obama on foreign policy, you better finish the the bait with yourself. chris: here's was romney doing the same to kerry back in 2004. >> the other day i heard that the junior senator from massachusetts is thinking about putting together a balanced ticket. and he wondered whether he could pick someone with views different than his own, he selected himself to do that. chris: a shared handicap is their money an of course northeastern elitism. listen to the pot here calli
. >> the -- he tells woodward boehner would have had a deal the he'd had the backing of his party. he said whereon would cut a deal with me, but he can't. >> obama said if wins the election, mitch mcconnel will change from the party of no, to a party of maybe. chris: some see parallels between this year and 2004 when bush 43 was another president who excited strong opposition from the other side. there are plenty of unlikely parallels between bush's opponent john kerry and mitt...
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boehner, we'll sell this. deal by 28 or 29. >> kimberly: demonize republicans to say he would meet them halfway and number of instances. look, i'm presidential and i am showing leadership. they're intractable. they are the bad guys, i'm good guy and aloha. >> bob: he came up to $400,000 in taxes. >> greg: got to go. much more to come. "the five" will be back in a moment. meet the five-passenger ford c-max hybrid. c-max says ha. c-max says wheeee. which is what you get, don't you see? cause c-max has lots more horsepower than prius v, a hybrid that c-max also bests in mpg. say hi to the all-new 47 combined mpg c-max hybrid. stop! stop! stop! come back here! humans -- we are beautifully imperfect creatures living in an imperfect world. that's why liberty mutual insurance has your back with great ideas like our optional better car replacement. if your car is totaled, we give you the money to buy one a model year newer. call... and ask one of our insurance experts about it today. hello?! we believe our customers d
boehner, we'll sell this. deal by 28 or 29. >> kimberly: demonize republicans to say he would meet them halfway and number of instances. look, i'm presidential and i am showing leadership. they're intractable. they are the bad guys, i'm good guy and aloha. >> bob: he came up to $400,000 in taxes. >> greg: got to go. much more to come. "the five" will be back in a moment. meet the five-passenger ford c-max hybrid. c-max says ha. c-max says wheeee. which is what you...
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we were merely trying to get out of speaker boehner 800 bill i don't know obviously over 10 years. we went back to him not as a condition but said, look, if we are going to get the votes. >> charlie:right. >> democratic vote in the senate, we must -- and he had never and his leadership team had never gone through any count on the man we were working on as to what votes they had. it was pretty simple for me to say, look, if we were all going to have a hard time getting votes you would have a hard time with 800 bill i don't know. when senate republicans have signed on board to 400 bill i don't know more than we were agreeing to say how were -- we have to take a look at whrrnts this deal we have been talking about private can get the votes. this was all about trying to get the votes and it was our opinion at that time that we ought to look at trying to get a little more revenue to get more votes but it was not either or. >> charlie:that's the first i heard that explanation. i don't know if you talked about that before or not. that's the first time i heard that. you're basically say ye
we were merely trying to get out of speaker boehner 800 bill i don't know obviously over 10 years. we went back to him not as a condition but said, look, if we are going to get the votes. >> charlie:right. >> democratic vote in the senate, we must -- and he had never and his leadership team had never gone through any count on the man we were working on as to what votes they had. it was pretty simple for me to say, look, if we were all going to have a hard time getting votes you...
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another viewer thought it was the john boehner speech. many of you agreed with clint eastwood, he is still kicking butt. you have to love him. another popular moment as this one from james and nevada. when mitt romney commented about obama's concerns about rising fees -- rising seas and healing the planet, my ears perked up. we love hearing from you. send me an e-mail at gerri@foxbussiness.com. finally, tonight inflation and rising costs are hitting everyone these days. including a new visa survey. it defines the tooth fairy losing an average of three bucks a tooth for kids these days. that is up 15% from last year long. while i'm happy someone's business is booming during the time of economic uncertainty, $3 that no wonder that we expect something for nothing in this economy. the tooth fairy and the christmas counterpart, sent across the don't teach kids the value of a dollar. we don't teach kids how to take responsibility when they are young,he
another viewer thought it was the john boehner speech. many of you agreed with clint eastwood, he is still kicking butt. you have to love him. another popular moment as this one from james and nevada. when mitt romney commented about obama's concerns about rising fees -- rising seas and healing the planet, my ears perked up. we love hearing from you. send me an e-mail at gerri@foxbussiness.com. finally, tonight inflation and rising costs are hitting everyone these days. including a new visa...
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john boehner has his own base. i always struck chuck last night, john boehner comes out in that interview and talks about immigration reform. watch tweeter, afterwards. steve king from iowa, john fleming from louisiana. house conservatives. i talked to staffers, they said they don't represent the house but you give them attention. when they go to twitter and tee off in the minutes after their speakers talks about immigration reform. >> steve king is already making noises about running for the tom harkin seat. is harkin retiring? we don't know for sure. that's been the long assumption. big opportunity for republicans midterm. iowa on top of the ticket. >> abs lieuly. >> already we know that there's going to be a real republican primary. mitch mcconnell and john corbin basically went about this in a placate the base, contindon't, know, disrupt this. and it failed. now, they're not getting blame and i'm surprised. >> here's the deal. in 2010 they did get involved in a lot of places. >> they tried. >> they tried. most
john boehner has his own base. i always struck chuck last night, john boehner comes out in that interview and talks about immigration reform. watch tweeter, afterwards. steve king from iowa, john fleming from louisiana. house conservatives. i talked to staffers, they said they don't represent the house but you give them attention. when they go to twitter and tee off in the minutes after their speakers talks about immigration reform. >> steve king is already making noises about running for...
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most people didn't know speaker of the house john boehner. >> who's this? >> i have no idea. >> man didn't know nancy pelosi. >> who's this? >> i don't know. >> oh, my god. >> well, this is awkward. >> that's the ve president of something. >> let's taste the actual vice president. >> who's this? >> i don't know who that one is. it's the vice psident. just can't remember his name. >> biden. >> no, no. >> many were better at celebrities. >> tom cruise. >> justin bieber. >> it's not that people are stupid, but most americans spend more time thinking about other things. >> the average amount of time that a person spends on presidential politics in the course of a campaign is probably about three hours. >> tt may shock you polical junkies who watch fox, but americans spend much more time thinking about food, money, sex. politics is way down the list. it's a reason they keep appeals simple, emotional. >> there's a bear in the woods. >> republicans run ads like this one to suggest democrats are soft on defense. >> isn't it smart to be as strong as the bear? >> we
most people didn't know speaker of the house john boehner. >> who's this? >> i have no idea. >> man didn't know nancy pelosi. >> who's this? >> i don't know. >> oh, my god. >> well, this is awkward. >> that's the ve president of something. >> let's taste the actual vice president. >> who's this? >> i don't know who that one is. it's the vice psident. just can't remember his name. >> biden. >> no, no. >> many...
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the reason why boehner has trouble cutting a deal is not because boehner can't cut a deal. i think in five minutes' time he and obama would come up -- >> excuse me, excuse me, you're wrong. you're wrong. all that grover has to say, all he has to say is, we're in a particular fiscal crunch right now, and we've got to make allowances for that. if he did that, a lot would change. >> grover only counts because these tea party guys, the 50, 60, 70 in the house, they have a theological opposition to any -- >> let's go -- >> all they're worried about is being primaried from the right -- >> i know -- let's talk about the caucus you used to work with and know. >> very well. >> aren't there a lot of people over there if grover came out and said these are peculiar times, we have to make a couple adjustments. >> members of congress should not have to negotiate with grover norquist. >> but i'm asking you an open question. would that have any influence? >> it could but it would -- for grover he's an activist. he's someone -- he has his ideals, and if he compromises on that, that's harder
the reason why boehner has trouble cutting a deal is not because boehner can't cut a deal. i think in five minutes' time he and obama would come up -- >> excuse me, excuse me, you're wrong. you're wrong. all that grover has to say, all he has to say is, we're in a particular fiscal crunch right now, and we've got to make allowances for that. if he did that, a lot would change. >> grover only counts because these tea party guys, the 50, 60, 70 in the house, they have a theological...
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john boehner now making the fairness argument? it's a shocking turn of events but a testament to the fact that the republicans know optics are not in their favor. >> here's where it looks like it's heading. republicans float i think a face-saver in the new york times. quote, if no deal can be struck to avert the bush era tax cuts and onset of deep across the board spending cuts gop leadership could foresee taking up and passing legislation this month to extend the tax cuts for the middle class and then resume the bitter fight over spending and taxes as the nation approaches the next hard deadline and statutory barring. that's the debt ceiling coming up later this year, early part of next year. here's the question right now, governor. it seems that's a face saver because they say taxes deferred or delayed are taxes avoided. if they say we'll get to defending the rich later. we'll let their taxes go up in january. it seems that's a face-saver even if they say we'll get to it later. >> well, i think what happens, chris, though is thi
john boehner now making the fairness argument? it's a shocking turn of events but a testament to the fact that the republicans know optics are not in their favor. >> here's where it looks like it's heading. republicans float i think a face-saver in the new york times. quote, if no deal can be struck to avert the bush era tax cuts and onset of deep across the board spending cuts gop leadership could foresee taking up and passing legislation this month to extend the tax cuts for the middle...
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the senate still has it. >> it's not like boehner's putting that on the table. i don't think the president would accept that, i'm sure speaker boehner would accept that if the president's hoping to. >> very quick before i go, the k -- unloaded on -- this relationship between harry reid and john mccain, is it as bad as it looks? >> they have found times to work together in the past, but in this day and age, they have a hard time agreeing. >> was harry reid itching for a fight? >> i haven't talked to him, i didn't have a chance to talk to him about it, but i'm pretty confident, not only he was looking forward to it and so was the rest of the democratic caucus, the nomination process is broken, something's got to change and i thought that would have been the way to go. >> i think we're going to have you back, we got 18 days, hopefully it's not on christmas. >> come on. you know what? we're all going to go negative on everybody, if they ruin everybody's holiday plans. it's a long campaign. >>> up next, president obama weighs in on the legalization of marijuana. >>>
the senate still has it. >> it's not like boehner's putting that on the table. i don't think the president would accept that, i'm sure speaker boehner would accept that if the president's hoping to. >> very quick before i go, the k -- unloaded on -- this relationship between harry reid and john mccain, is it as bad as it looks? >> they have found times to work together in the past, but in this day and age, they have a hard time agreeing. >> was harry reid itching for a...
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boehner. he should have been ashamed of himself. >> you said he is appealing to appeal to the right wing of his party and you have conservative groups slamming this plan "b." let me play some of the criticism he's getting from the right of the party. let's play it. >> the american people did not re-elect the conservative house of representatives to become tax collectors for barack obama's welfare state. >> we supported challengers who were opposed to t.a.r.p., who were opposed to the debt deal. 2011. and this is the sort of vote that we'll look at closely when we look at our options in 2014. >> so congressman pascrell, they oppose plan "b" differently than your opposition but you have two different sides of this coin and people are wondering where speaker boehner is at all on this when no one is happy and if he's appealing to the right, they're not pleased with him. >> well, mr. boehner has the hell of a nerve to say that mister -- the president of the united states barack obama can't stand up
boehner. he should have been ashamed of himself. >> you said he is appealing to appeal to the right wing of his party and you have conservative groups slamming this plan "b." let me play some of the criticism he's getting from the right of the party. let's play it. >> the american people did not re-elect the conservative house of representatives to become tax collectors for barack obama's welfare state. >> we supported challengers who were opposed to t.a.r.p., who...
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i think boehner set a great signal yesterday. i think the person who called boehner yesterday and said let's get back to work is a big deal. >> i want to ask you. do the american voters really get the attention of the gop now? do they send a clear message that misogynistic, bigoted, homophobic candidate es just dot fly. how do they get the party back on track? >> losing does a lot more parties, and spending time in the desert does a lot toward figuring out how to get to water. the republican party obviously has a lot of work to do, but i'm encouraged they will get the message, that we understand we've got to be a larger tent. we can't continue to just go after a shrinking -- trying to expand a shrinking demographic and recognize we need more tolerance, more diversity, and more policies and messages that address the broad fabric of middle america. so i think the message is loud and clear. i don't think there's any question about that. ultimately, it will be good for the party, and they'll get strong new leadership that will be --
i think boehner set a great signal yesterday. i think the person who called boehner yesterday and said let's get back to work is a big deal. >> i want to ask you. do the american voters really get the attention of the gop now? do they send a clear message that misogynistic, bigoted, homophobic candidate es just dot fly. how do they get the party back on track? >> losing does a lot more parties, and spending time in the desert does a lot toward figuring out how to get to water. the...
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how does boehner come out of this? what kind of a deal can he put is not >> the statement we heard from the congressman calling his own people chuckleheads, shows that the president won. i argued a month ago this was never from the president perspective, never about fiscal issues. economic issues. he wants four years for his own agenda to enact. what to do? destroy them and fracture them, which he has done. this is clever tactically. insisting that the one thing that they had to agree to was increase in tax rates. if hoving only interested in fiscally balancing the budget he would have said i don't care how you get the money. but he insisted on rates not because there is an economic issue but a wi to have the house divided. call each other chuckleheads and a speaker who not deposed extremely weakened. this sets him up to have his way over republicans who are in a civil war in the house. >> boehner runs for re-election on third of january, too. stay right there. hold the thought. lightning round up next. friday night. w
how does boehner come out of this? what kind of a deal can he put is not >> the statement we heard from the congressman calling his own people chuckleheads, shows that the president won. i argued a month ago this was never from the president perspective, never about fiscal issues. economic issues. he wants four years for his own agenda to enact. what to do? destroy them and fracture them, which he has done. this is clever tactically. insisting that the one thing that they had to agree to...
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. >> greta: i spoke recently with speaker boehner in wisconsin and asked him because the deadline is looming and said has president obama called you up, i realize it is hard and there are a lot of differences of opinion. but he said the president hasn't even contacted him and he was critical that the president was off campaigning and not dealing with this much more urgent problem. i don't know who is supposed to make the first phone call but it is evident that this deadline is looming and that is is being done. certainly doesn't appear to be a lot of heedership in this -- leadership in this city getting this one done. >> let me finally say lindsay graham and kelly ayotte around i and many others believe that senator levin understands the seriousness about this because we had conversations with him about it and actually some negotiations. we would be eager to join in a bipartisan effort to address this issue but it is the president's leadership. i would like to be president. i tryd that once. but the fact is that we need the president's leader shelling attacksship on this and he is no
. >> greta: i spoke recently with speaker boehner in wisconsin and asked him because the deadline is looming and said has president obama called you up, i realize it is hard and there are a lot of differences of opinion. but he said the president hasn't even contacted him and he was critical that the president was off campaigning and not dealing with this much more urgent problem. i don't know who is supposed to make the first phone call but it is evident that this deadline is looming and...
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boehner, boehner, don't be a sick. budget cuts will make us sick. the budget cuts are really rude, that's why we have to be so lewd. they were trying to lay bare the potential cuts for aids, the protests also served to put a naked spotlight on a major statement expected tomorrow from secretary of state hillary clinton. on the occasion of world aids day, secretary clinton is due to unveil an aids free generation. secretary clinton will make that announcement on thursday morning, but in advance of that renewed commitment to fighting aids, this group, which is known for memorable protests any way, found a way to be more memorable today. one of the groups involved in today's event tweeted, watch naked aids activists take over boehner's office at congress. that was their tweet that you could watch them and you really could. you can watch the live stream video of naked protesters standing in the office of a highest ranking republican in the country and that does not happen often and because it was that guy's office, other report
boehner, boehner, don't be a sick. budget cuts will make us sick. the budget cuts are really rude, that's why we have to be so lewd. they were trying to lay bare the potential cuts for aids, the protests also served to put a naked spotlight on a major statement expected tomorrow from secretary of state hillary clinton. on the occasion of world aids day, secretary clinton is due to unveil an aids free generation. secretary clinton will make that announcement on thursday morning, but in advance...
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do you think john boehner and you know john boehner, the speaker of the house, do you think he can do with this present what gingrich and clinton did back in the '90s after the president was re-elected? >> well, i do. i think it's essential that he also understand his own caucus and i think when the election is done, remember they were trying to defeat the president. that has failed. so it's incumbent upon them now to realize there's per i will avoiding the message of the voters because the voters have spoken. also the senate democrats picked up seats across the country. now they're one region. so they're clear about that. and the president's always going to be open to different ideas, but not change the goals. and the goal is not just an economic strategy based on austerity, but one that is pro-growth, pro-middle class, that allows job creation while you're bringing fiscal discipline to washington. it's not one or the other, it's both. and obviously john boehner is wanting to work with the president. he's already expressed some opening to go that. it's going to take a while to get th
do you think john boehner and you know john boehner, the speaker of the house, do you think he can do with this present what gingrich and clinton did back in the '90s after the president was re-elected? >> well, i do. i think it's essential that he also understand his own caucus and i think when the election is done, remember they were trying to defeat the president. that has failed. so it's incumbent upon them now to realize there's per i will avoiding the message of the voters because...
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what struck me yesterday with john boehner he was saying as we approach the fiscal cliff, boehner was saying yesterday that the bottom line for republicans after this election is the same as it's been for 22 years. that is, that any kind of income tax hike, especially for the wealthy, is off the table for them. do you have a sense of what the white house is thinking is on the table? we approach january 1st. is it that they are really eager mainly to strike a grand bargain they can sell as a major bipartisan achievement? is the idea of fighting past january 1st if necessary to get rid of the bush tax cuts for the wealthy americans more of a priority for them? >> no. i think they want a deal if they can get it. you're right to listen closely to john boehner, because what he had is he'll accept some revenues in the context of tax reform, a big, wonderful, fuzzy nebulous idea. what he won't expect initially is a change in the rates. of course, that's what it's about. it's about the rates for the highest income earners. and that's where john boehner is refusing to start out in the negotiat
what struck me yesterday with john boehner he was saying as we approach the fiscal cliff, boehner was saying yesterday that the bottom line for republicans after this election is the same as it's been for 22 years. that is, that any kind of income tax hike, especially for the wealthy, is off the table for them. do you have a sense of what the white house is thinking is on the table? we approach january 1st. is it that they are really eager mainly to strike a grand bargain they can sell as a...
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the fact that speaker boehner rejected that, we're in a tough spot right now. what the republican leadership in the house has to do is say look here's what we want to do, here's what we believe we should do. they have to understand that the president won, the democrats gained seats in the house and the senate. the american people have said find that common ground, the beginning of that common ground is make sure we protect the tax cuts for the middle class. make sure we don't hurt the fragile economic recovery in the short term and let's deal with protecting medicare and deficit reduction for the long term. >> there's a piece in the "new york times" talking about the president's new negotiate i want aing style. it said mr. obama scattered by failed negotiations in his first term and emboldened by his re-election has shown to be a dlimp different negotiate or. the white house reminded people what the president basically campaigned on saying that everybody knew going in what they were getting re-lecting th this stifle president. does he walk with confidence of re
the fact that speaker boehner rejected that, we're in a tough spot right now. what the republican leadership in the house has to do is say look here's what we want to do, here's what we believe we should do. they have to understand that the president won, the democrats gained seats in the house and the senate. the american people have said find that common ground, the beginning of that common ground is make sure we protect the tax cuts for the middle class. make sure we don't hurt the fragile...
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in the meantime can john boehner survive? there are questions this morning about his future as house speaker after he couldn't get enough republican votes to pass his plan b fiscal cliff proposal. just moments ago he addressed this embarrassing setback. >> while we may have not been able to get the votes last night, to avert 99.81% of the tax increases, i don't think they weren't taking that out on me. they were dealing with the perception that somebody might accuse them of raising taxes. >> seeing an increasingly divided republican house where dozens of conservatives refused to go along with his back up plan. >> i disagree with john boehner, actually caving on taxes. he went over to the white house over the weekend and said we'll give you a trillion dollars of tax revenue and maybe raise the debt ceiling for a year and take a lever out of the hand of the republicans but did that i think without the support of the congress as we found out. >> he has worked his heart out to try to get the best deal he can, and to have this hap
in the meantime can john boehner survive? there are questions this morning about his future as house speaker after he couldn't get enough republican votes to pass his plan b fiscal cliff proposal. just moments ago he addressed this embarrassing setback. >> while we may have not been able to get the votes last night, to avert 99.81% of the tax increases, i don't think they weren't taking that out on me. they were dealing with the perception that somebody might accuse them of raising taxes....
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. >> he should have been called john bain ear month ago, john boehner hasn't talked to him in a while and find common ground. i know democrats will say he tried and just fight it over the election but i will say again, i can't believe someone who ran he is going to bring washington together to get things working is resigd to having a quarter of his first term maybe a quart quarter of his presidency doing nothing but framing the next election. >> rose: and using the american military as kind of the model for what needs to be done is never do, working togethe common goals d that kind of thing. brett. >> i mean, if i were writing about the speech i would probably title the editorial or the common fairness do doctrine and harken us back to 1947, whenever that doctrine came in being. i thought it was based on nostalgia, there was an element that sort of harkd back to the 1940s or 1950's. there was some of it that was sort of carter e.r.a. nostalgia and then there was his when nostalgia for the presidency, he assumed, three years ago, talking about the financial cris, how we got into this m
. >> he should have been called john bain ear month ago, john boehner hasn't talked to him in a while and find common ground. i know democrats will say he tried and just fight it over the election but i will say again, i can't believe someone who ran he is going to bring washington together to get things working is resigd to having a quarter of his first term maybe a quart quarter of his presidency doing nothing but framing the next election. >> rose: and using the american military...
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boehner afters at a million. obama said i couldn't take 700,000 or $800,000 in terms of the tax rates. that still leaves 500,000 or maybe up to 650,000. what happened to make these two sides go back this their corner and paintory put forward plan b? no one knows for sure. the explanation we're hearing is, well, the president is not serious. well, from reading everything and from talking to people, it seems to be that both sides were moving together. what happened? we do not necessarily know. this plan b will most likely pass tonight. republicans believe they have the votes after they added those defense cuts in there. sorry. after they replaced the defense cuts. it would move forward. mr. cantor said that they're not going to go home this weekend. apparently they're going to be here. it's unclear what exactly they would work on, but this is some sort of dance we're seeing here, alex, that really has no explanation. >> we thought it was three acts. it turns out to be a 15 act. glen, if you break it down, as luke s
boehner afters at a million. obama said i couldn't take 700,000 or $800,000 in terms of the tax rates. that still leaves 500,000 or maybe up to 650,000. what happened to make these two sides go back this their corner and paintory put forward plan b? no one knows for sure. the explanation we're hearing is, well, the president is not serious. well, from reading everything and from talking to people, it seems to be that both sides were moving together. what happened? we do not necessarily know....